Join the conversation to learn from the amazing Deb Williams as she shares her top 4 tips to enter into the modeling industry. She recently started her own agency so she dives into her experience and how that's going as well. One things for sure, it's never too late to get into modeling and if you're considering getting into it, this is the conversation you need to listen to! To learn more about Deb Williams and to work with her visit: www.616modelmanagement.com or follow along on her socials: www.Instagram.com/616models www.tiktok.com/616models For more about your host; Sam Prince and get your acting classes booked, go check out his website: www.samber.productions and follow along on Instagram: www.instagram.com/samberproductions
Sam Prince 0:05
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All right, welcome. Welcome. Welcome to the Creativitorium podcast. I am your host, Sam Prince, and I am with my good dear friend, Deb Williams. How are you? Madam?
Deb Williams 1:31
I am doing fantastic. How are you? Sam, good to see you. And thank you for inviting me on your podcast.
Sam Prince 1:38
Yes, of course. Of course, I am so honored that you are on here. And you know, it's it's just so interesting, because, you know, acting in theater, you know, that those are my, my loves. But modeling is also my love, you know, and it goes right along with the whole performing, you know, entertainment, fashion. I mean, it's all a part of the whole performing arts industry, right?
Deb Williams 2:11
For sure. Totally agree with you. Yeah, there's, you know, kind of multifaceted for the entertainment industry kind of consists of, you know, singers, actors, models, dancers, anything where you're performing in front of large groups of people. So totally agree.
Sam Prince 2:28
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we talked about this last time we got together, but I was trying to remember exactly how you and I met. And it's still, I'm still I'm still trying to find like, it had to be some kind of modeling event or some, some kind of, well, maybe we just met through some people or something I was.
Deb Williams 2:50
I Yeah. I think it was more of a business connection with my Yeah, my primary business is that I'm an insurance agent. And I remember, I remember going to a building somewhere downtown to speak with someone. I like to work with realtors to help do the homeowners insurance for the closing. Dad said yes. And I actually talked to one of the realtors. Either they were they're not there. But I ran into you. And we. And that's how the connection happened. But over the years, yes, definitely has evolved. So yeah, that's it. That's right. Yep. And then we started talking, we realized the modeling industry and did some acting as well. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's so cool. And we've known each other for a long time. And I'm just glad your friend. So thank you. Very cool. Yes, yes. Right. So let's tell the audience for those who don't know who Deb Williams is, let's tell them who you are, where you started, and where you are now. Very good. Awesome. Well, again, my name is Deb Williams, I like to have my models referred to me as Miss Deb because I am dealing with kind of a younger group. Um, my models age range in age, excuse me from five and up. And I started in the business as a mature model. I didn't jump in until I was 48 years old and started doing some commercials and commercial print. And the next day I did my first runway fashion runway show at 50. So I always tell the older mature models, they're my first love that it is never too late for them to be able to jump into the business. I've been in the business now for close to eight years, if not a little bit longer. And over the course of going on various jobs. One of my frustrations was it's once I got signed with an agency she sent me on a commercial shoot the following week, and I had no idea what to do. So one of my frustrations was was in the training like how you
Are you supposed to go on set? How are you supposed to add? What are you supposed to bring. And it was just all the anxiety behind that. So over the years, I started looking learning, watching and understanding using my business background to kind of help me come prepared. So I know for six months six is Get ready, stay ready. And in doing that, I started getting approached by a lot of the other models for me to assist them. And with doing that, I started doing some coaching, and some training. And then that led into an agency pre coming to me to see if I would actually Scout models for a showcase that happens in Chicago. And so last four years, I've been scouting models along with my coaching business. And then finally, this year with COVID kind of made us reassess our life, our priorities, our work schedule, and I just decided to go ahead and just make it up business. Doing LLC, do all the proper branding. And then to create the 616 model management portion of it, I've always kind of got under the banner of 616 models. 616, representing the area code where I started, which was in the Grand Rapids area. And so totally went out of business, full throttle until business in about May of this year. And then I relocated to Chicago in June. And so now my goal is to be able to pull models from other areas and be able to offer up that opportunity. Currently 616 models, we have about 25 models under management. And again, they they range in age, I think my youngest is about eight years old, all the way up to 60.
Sam Prince 6:48
Wow, that is awesome. It's so great. Yes. And it's so great. Yeah. And I mean, I'm just so proud of you that you said your first one was at 50.
Deb Williams 7:01
My first my first print work was at 48. So I was at 4048 years old. My first fashion show runway show was
Sam Prince 7:10
at 5050. Yes, man. Yes,
Deb Williams 7:14
I know. There is room for us.
Sam Prince 7:17
That's right. That's right. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, I've said this before with other guests that, you know, I wish when I was younger, that I went to like LA or New York, and really do my thing instead of got a real job like everybody else, you know, but it's not too late.
Deb Williams 7:38
It is never the only thing. And we all had, you know, we have families, we started families. And so you don't put yourself first you put your family first. But you know I am a living, walking, breathing example of how you can, it's never too late and you can rebrand yourself, if it's something you want to do, especially after COVID. I'm just like you starting your podcast, just do it. Just do it. And I promise if you go after your goals, find those people and resources to assist you. And you'll realize that it's a lot easier than what you thought it was.
Sam Prince 8:11
That's right. That's right. Very cool. Thank you. Very cool. Well, so let's talk about 616 management, model, model management. And yeah, I was I was just gonna read off your mission statement, which is 616 Model Management, LLC is a model development company specializing in model preparation, runway, portfolio development, housing, confidence building, speaking and interviewing skills. We assist the models with realistic goals on getting to the next level in the entertainment industry. And our primary focus is on development and exposure. Yes. Wow. That's impressive. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I mean, it's basically what you just spoke about. Right?
Deb Williams 9:07
Exactly. And that's that's where it all it all stemmed from again, my anxiety was showing up on set and not having what I felt like was any training to know what to do and so you start you step back for a minute and as you get approached by other models, their their number one question that I asked them is, are you signed with an agency they usually will answer no and then I say why and they say because I don't know what to do. I don't know how to do so. You know, light bulb moment there is this, you know, need for someone to be able to step in and fill the void. I think where I added value is in my mothering aspect of it is that I'm simply here to make sure that you are good. And I have no other agenda but to help to develop you. Like mom with furniture And then to give you exposure, to gather up as many opportunities as possible. So, you know, that's the nature of my mission statement is that I am not what people would think of as a stereotypical agency where I am finding you work and sending you on jobs, I am not, I am doing the first level, whereas I'm preparing you and developing you for what to expect. So when you are ready, you can go and seek out your own agency, but when you come to that agency, you will already come ready, having a clear understanding of what is needed for you, in order to perform and to, you know, go after all those opportunities.
Sam Prince 10:38
Right. That's awesome. So we, it's such a unique business, you know, would you say that? There's a lot of competition out there with you, you pretty that you need to where there aren't a lot of management model management companies like yourself?
Deb Williams 10:57
Well, I'm actually there, there are in a we are called a mother agency. So if you were to Google that you will find that there are quite a few of us. Wow. Okay, that are considered because a mother agent is some who is a company that actually helps to develop the models to get them to the next level. So yes, I wouldn't get mother agency, actually, my partnership with launch showcase the Chicago showcase, I mentioned earlier, they came to me to become a mother agency to help develop models to send to them. So yes, so they're actually quite a few other agencies that are out there. And our role is in the development portion of it. So is there a common thing? I would have? I would say no, because I think everyone's agency is is unique and different based upon what the models need.
Sam Prince 11:49
Right? Is that,
Deb Williams 11:51
um, let me let me worded as nicely as I can, to my knowledge in the state of Michigan, I don't believe there are many mother agencies. So I, what I do provide is unique. Yeah, and the Michigan area for sure.
Sam Prince 12:07
Yeah. Yeah. Wow. See, that's why I love this podcast, because I learned some every time I didn't know there was some cotton mother agency as a mother is That is correct. All right. Yeah. And it's important. I mean, I'm, I'm just gonna blast it out. I mean, I signed up, what 616. So
Deb Williams 12:29
we are happy to have you, Sam, we sure. And I'm throwing this word out to your viewers. We definitely need more mature models, I tried really hard to get you guys up to the starting gate. Because at our age, a lot of us are so willing to take the backseat and do other things like job work kids, grandkids, and you think about yourselves later. But I keep wanting to push my mature models to promise you I actually get booked for jobs quicker than the younger models. Do. Because there is no need for mature model. So sure. It's never too late.
Sam Prince 13:06
Yeah, no, no. And you know, your course. And your training is excellent. And it's you cover all the tips and it is valuable, which is very valuable. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about tips. For those who need to who are very interested in getting into martial industry, right, they, but they don't know where to go, where to get started? Exactly. Whatever the
Deb Williams 13:46
number one most asked question is, how do I get into the business. So I'm just going to share with your audience, five, maybe six things that come to mind that would help to be able to support them. The first one that I always, always, always tell my models is to do your research. Alright, so you know, go in there and if you're looking at agencies, see what the rating is see if there's been any bad reviews, go to the Better Business Bureau, see how they operate as a business, before you actually sign up, you know, with them, but always do your research and that you should never have to pay an agency to be to become a model with them. Alright, so they get paid when they find your work. And the percentage of the models pay in order to find them that job but always, always, always first fast rule. Do your research you should never pay to be part of and an agency is the first rule. The second one that I would tell you guys is to find someone who is actively working In the modeling business, not someone that did it years ago, because the industry changes. But you will you see that you'd like to to want to emulate, especially someone locally, cause to, you know, to find someone that is already in the New York la market, there was steps that they had to take to actually get there. And for you to come right out the gate and thinking just because you have that connect, you're going to immediately get jumped to the head line is not going to work. So I will tell you to find someone locally, that is in the industry that you feel like is excellent working and getting paid to be when the agency and then ask some questions on how they got in and what they did. It's always good to hear from someone who's actually doing it, they can tell you the pitfalls of what to avoid, what not to do, and then what to do as well. There's obviously agencies like myself, that are resources for you guys to audition for, become a part of and then actually learn what you need to learn through, you know, a mother agency. And I'll just do a little Astrakhan this one because side note, based on what I just told you about, you don't necessarily have to pay to be part of an agency. On the mother agency side, there are fees that you have to pay, because there is training that is involved. Okay. And so you typically that model would have to pay for the training. But when you go to an agency and execute signed, they want you to come already ready. So that's the kind of to me kind of a two step system for you. I just want to make note on that as well for you, Sam. You know, no doubt. Yes.
Sam Prince 16:46
I'm sorry to interrupt you. I was thinking we should tease him. We got a few more tips, right? Yes, yes. All right. All right, we're gonna take a break. Okay, we're gonna tease him what a few more so we can come back and hear some more depth Williams tips on the modeling industry. All right, we'll be right back. I am looking for two types of creative cats looking for people who want to learn how to act or want to improve their acting skills. I provide acting, audition coaching for every level. But I'm also looking for all those creative cats out there who have a play or screenplay idea. Or maybe you're just stuck and need help writing your masterpiece, I can help you with that too. Just go to Sambre dot productions, that's sa b r dot productions, and click coaching. Your options are right there. And we will achieve your goals together. It's never too late. Alright, let's go. Alright, welcome back. We are here with Deb Williams talking modeling and tips. And we got a few more to share with them. Let's, since we teach them so So, so desperately, so terribly. Let's let's, let's give them the rest of those. All right,
Deb Williams 18:15
very good. So the other two that kind of goes hand in hand with where I left you all was to to know that you do have to make an investment in yourself. Alright, so you are your currency. And what I mean by that guys is that you know your face, if you're a model your your body your physique, if you're a runway model your voice if you are a singer, your voice if you're an actor, your facial expression. So you know, there are things that you have to pay for because you are your currency. Alright, so you're gonna have to pay for the expertise that you need. So knowing that there's a model that has no prior experience, then training to come into something like a mother agency or to have a model coach, or model trainer is something that you do have to make an investment in, you have to make an investment in a vocal coach, if you're a singer, you have to make an investment in a personal trainer. If you're a fitness model, you know, you have to make an investment in a dance teacher, if you're a dancer, there's things you have to do to make sure that you are always perfecting your craft. And so you have to know that you have to pay into that. So I tell my models, you know, try to set aside some monies every time you get paid towards a model budget, so that you can be able to pay for some of these classes and things that you need an actor you have to pay for acting classes. And Sam is an actual actor and I'm actually going to be working with him in the near future. Because even I need some acting classes. So there's things we need to make investments in, you know, in ourselves and so I want to put that out there and investment in yourself for one and then the other investment that you have to make is In a good photographer, because you have to have good photos. All right. And so in this industry, nothing happens. Unless you have good photos, if you're a business owner, you would pass out your business card. And that is how people know who you are what you do. And in this industry, your photos, your comp cards, your portfolio, that takes the place of that business card so that agencies know what you look like what your body type looks like, what your headshot looks like, for acting, and you just have to pay the price for a good photographer. So don't use your aunt, your uncle don't do the selfies. This is a time where you make that investment into a good photographer, because that's, that's what the industry will see of you. So remember that it's an investment in yourself.
Sam Prince 20:48
Right? Got it. Alright.
Deb Williams 20:51
Last one to you all, I would just say it being a new person, if you don't want to spend any money at all, and you just kind of want to see what is this whole thing about? How can I learn with the least amount of effort, it's possible that I will tell you all that YouTube is your friend. So you can learn a lot on YouTube, go ahead and Google the model walk. Go ahead and Google poses, go ahead and Google acting classes. Go ahead and Google Voice voiceover classes, you can do a whole lot of things without spending a dime at all by just going into YouTube. So always remember YouTube is your friend.
Sam Prince 21:32
All right. All right. Great. Okay, so let me make sure that that was all right. I think list here make sure. Ah,
Deb Williams 21:49
my last one, that least would be for you is, um, do as much local shows as possible, do as many things as you can, locally does not require any travel time at all. And what I mean by that is, if you're a runway model, try to get into as many local fashion shows as possible. And try to perfect your walk your confidence, you know, everything that goes on backstage, if you are an actor, do some local theater, so you can get the hang of doing that. And talking and being in front of an audience. If you are a singer, do whatever local courses are choirs that you can get into to help perfect, do as much as you can do locally, to build up your confidence to get you ready to say, Okay, I think I want to go to the next step. That's your natural progression, as opposed to starting with no experience. And then all of a sudden, you want to be on New York Fashion Week runway is just that's not the way it goes, guys. You have to pay your dues, you have to take the appropriate steps to get yourself there.
Sam Prince 22:51
All right. All right. All right. Okay, thank you. Great. So, yeah, so just to recap, so do your research. Make sure you don't pay anybody, not to pocket. You know, find somebody actively working within the business to guide you, like yourself, you know, but pay for those good photos. Don't be using your uncle. YouTube is your friend trainings and lots of cool stuffs on there.
Deb Williams 23:29
Yes, pay for your resources, it's an investment in yourself, whatever you got to pay for those pay for the resources, but YouTube is always your friend. And then do as much local work possible to gain the experience and the confidence that you need. And then just keep moving up the level. So do things locally. Once you get really good at local, then go and using Michigan is my example. Do everything in your 616 area that you can do. And then once you're ready, move over to the Detroit area to slightly bigger market. See what that looks like. And when you've done that, then move to a slightly bigger one like Chicago, see what that market needs. And then when you're ready, do something bigger like you're in New York or LA. So if you take those steps, you'll keep boosting your competence, your resume, your network connections, your agency. So when you're on that big stage, that big platform, it's just a natural progression for
Sam Prince 24:26
you. All right. All right. Very cool. Okay, so that was awesome. That is some great stuff. Great tips. So now I want to play a little game with you. Alright, so I asked you to give me like your top four models that you like, and we're gonna put them together. We're gonna have a little bracket. And we're gonna say Who's your favorite at least today? Okay, no, of course that may change next year. Today Yeah. All right. So first bracket we got is a mess up her name is added. br So how you pronounce it? Yes. Yes. Your and Kendall Jenner. Okay. Which one of those two do you like? Do you prefer?
Deb Williams 25:21
Yes, yeah. Yeah, actually is. If my memory is correct. She is the number one model right now in the United States.
Sam Prince 25:29
Yes. She. Yes. Yes. Wow. Okay. And, you know, it's funny cuz there's another thing I love about this podcast is I get to find out new people that but the thing is, I didn't know her name. And I pulled her up online. Oh, yeah.
Deb Williams 25:48
I know. Exactly. Right. I know. Our faces everywhere. Yeah. Awesome. But again, it she is a another example. The reason why I like her the most is that she's another example of an African American woman. She's of African descent. She has that darker like rich dark skin tone. And he is just face she has that. Very monotone look about her. She has a gorgeous body. And when she her walk when she walks, she just commands a room. It's it's what I would call a. It's a quiet confidence about Yeah, she comes in. You know, she's there. But she doesn't really have to say a word. She's just got to show up.
Sam Prince 26:36
Wow. Yeah, man. Yeah, you're born with that? Is it just something it's just something she learned to the industry? It's like, wow,
Deb Williams 26:47
yes. Think about it. And I believe she was I believe she was discovered through an agent on her backstory. And then they got her here to New York, because that that particular I don't want to say it to mess up anything. But that particular region of Africa is known for having very tall women and men. Okay, you know, so pull her from there and then believe an agent worked with her with her walk her confidence and everything else. Again, that kind of development for a model. It's needed, no matter who you are. You can shine on that on that bigger stage. But I just I love everything about her. And just the fact that she is an African American, I think gives a huge population of the young men and women. The hopes that industry is becoming more diversify. It's not your studio call, which is why I did pick Kylie Jenner because she is more of the stereotypical that people think is the runway model. But yes, right. The other one totally outshines her in that regard.
Sam Prince 27:59
Yeah, Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay, so then the other bracket. We got more miles more our age. I had to put some in my age. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So we got in mind and against Naomi Campbell. Yes. Yeah. What would you pick there and Oh,
Deb Williams 28:28
my my heart goes to eemaan because she is just the classiest gorgeous over Yeah. Men that I've ever seen growing up Why believe we are either the same age or a year or so apart but everything about her she's classy or talk her or demeanor her business acumen Oh yeah, I just I love everything about her. She is my yeah she's definitely one of my one of my all time idols I love love love to meet her in person. Yeah, just sit down for a few minutes and kind of pick her brain but every time I see her I just love her boys.
Sam Prince 29:14
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's still doing her thing.
Deb Williams 29:17
She is doing more of the business aspect of it she you know YouTube it's got to be YouTube page where she was doing some makeup because you know she has a makeup line but or hmm HSN before but I just love her business side of it. But yeah, she always gives good face whenever you see her. Yeah, she's not active on the runway. Naomi is still active on the runway now nobody's walk in touch Naomi's No, by her walk is just fire. Who nobody can touch her walk. I mean, so many people learn walking by looking at her right, right is far, far and wide. She is that person. That total package model where she's got commercial print runway, business, everything else. So yes, he man, I would lean towards her.
Sam Prince 30:11
Yeah, yeah, she's classic. She was classic. Yeah. But Naomi Campbell. Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't you do some Victoria's Secret stuff?
Deb Williams 30:20
For sure. She was. Yeah. She's one of probably one of the very first ones to be one of their models. Yeah. What? They're breaking those barriers as African American woman, which I absolutely love. Yeah, all those little girls that have watched her over the years and aspire to be like her for sure. But yeah, her walk is absolutely amazing.
Sam Prince 30:46
Yep. Yep, for sure. Okay, so I think I know what the answer is gonna be. But we had to find those now. In my mind versus a viewer. What would you pick?
Deb Williams 31:00
I would still go with the mind. That is where my heart lies. I again, I'm a 56 year old woman that got into the industry at 48. So I have to lean towards my tribe. Sure.
Sam Prince 31:16
I'm sure I figured, I think, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And she was. Yeah, yeah. And she was married to David. Boy. That's correct. That is Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to talk to her about that.
Deb Williams 31:32
I would love to just pick her brain for about 1015 minutes, I believe she will be vicious celebration. Yeah,
Sam Prince 31:37
for sure. For sure. All right. Well, our last and final question, Miss Williams is what are you plans now to creatively affect the world with the modeling.
Deb Williams 31:50
So my desire would be is to perfect this model within my 616 region, obviously, and then to take that build up some team leaders within that group that I have, and then be able to duplicate this model into other areas and into other states, where it is more of a broad online type service where my classes are available, be the, you know, tape, since I obviously can't split myself up into five or six different people.
Sam Prince 32:29
Right, right,
Deb Williams 32:30
able to train a couple of labels on yourself, yes, be able to train a couple ladies underneath me allow them to handle that local market, and do some pre training. And then for me to come along and do what I do, as far as the development continue to read to build our website where they're able to gain the exposure that they need to actually have come to us, we actually have our first client that look us up on the website and reached out and would like to book our models. So I would like to do that aspect of it, where they actually getting some real life, jobs and opportunities. And then I'll continue to offer up the launch showcase for them because that is the next step after development, in order to actually get signed by an agency and actively working in the business. And one of the things I like to do, but I like to take this model and continue on I have my first girl that is going to be joining from Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, so I want to start getting more that are in the Chicago area. And so we're just gonna keep on getting a little bigger a little bigger Sam, we're gonna we're gonna still provide the service I need as a mother Mom. That everyone that's under me is properly cared for and knows what is expected of them. But I want to turn out some some really good hardcore models, singer and actor, this guy, no comedian, everything underneath that entertainment industry and have them go and be a blessing to the rest of the world doing the gifts that they love in this entertainment industry.
Sam Prince 34:09
Very cool. Very cool. All right. So if someone wants they're like, Oh, my goodness, so impressed. I want to get on Miss Deb's you know, training sessions or, or, you know, if they want to use your course or whatever, what's the best way to contact you?
Deb Williams 34:30
Best way to contact us is to go to our website, which is 616 model management.com. You can click on the join tab, complete your information. That link goes right to my email and I will give you a follow up call. We do audition and take on new models two to three times a year. So it's not something that's instantaneous. I come through your respective cities a couple times a year and Pick up newer models. In the meantime, there are some training courses that we will have available in certain areas. But by going on the website, it'll let you know what our schedule looks like. And we're going to be in your area. Or you can go to our website and click the audition tab. If you are a singer, an actor, or a dancer, and that will connect you through to the lat showcase in Chicago, you can again complete the form that will go to me, I will give you a call and do an audition with you over the phone to see if you fit that model. And then if so we will connect you with the people at launch showcase. To try to get you to the next showcase. It happens only once a year, in July and July, in July of each year, but you have a chance to be a part of that class. Right now, we're still looking for people for the class of 2022. So if they're interested, go to the website, click the auditions tab, and I'll reach out to them. But it gives us enough time to get them trained between now and July for the showcase because we want you to come to the Showcase prepared knowing what to do it totally fits our core values as in regards to development and exposure. So so they get to us ones on a 616 side to audition, the other ones on the side of the lot showcase. But in the in the meantime, in between time, we do offer some classes, some bootcamp classes for you to drop in and see what we are all about. All right.
Sam Prince 36:37
All right. That is some cool stuff. And man, if Marlin is your thing, this is a woman to talk to
Deb Williams 36:49
Instagram page, which is 616 models. And we just started a tic toc page. That yes, I believe that in six months, six models, as well. So please go over and like and share for us and you can kind of see what we're doing at any given time. I also post when auditions are coming up as well. So please feel free to go over it and follow us. We'd love to have you be part of our team.
Sam Prince 37:15
All right. All right. Well, thank you, Deb. It was so great to talk to you.
Deb Williams 37:20
Thank you so always pleasure.
Sam Prince 37:22
Yes, yes. And thank you everyone for listening. This has been the creativity Korean podcast. And thank you for my guests, Deb Williams. And I like to always like to end on episodes, all the worlds a stage.
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